The car is definately a 4speed car. He told me when I bought it that it was a 409 car and he knew the original owner. The motor and trans is gone. I was going to go Pro Touring style with it so I didnt care to much about it being a 409 car. I am kind of curious though. Is there anything I can look at to determine it? Big fuel lines? Mounts? anything that anybody can help me lok for would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.